maandag 4 april 2011

David Frum is een aanhanger van Romney?

omdat er met de tekst van de post iets is misgelopen heb ik hem met dezelfde datum opnieuw gepost, en dit stuk achtergelaten om de commentaar niet verloren te laten gaan.

5 opmerkingen:

Felix zei

"Aangezien onze opinie geen enkel belang heeft, en we er ook niet op kunnen stemmen, lijkt de hele show me het boeiendst wanneer we er zo onbevooroordeeld mogelijk naar kunnen kijken. Dus zal ik maar hopen dat Romney zijn Romneycare-probleem kan oplossen."

Stel dat je er wel op zou kunnen stemmen, zou je dan voor Romney kiezen? Zou het feit dat hij Mormoon is van belang zijn voor je beslissing?

Koen Robeys zei

Strikt genomen ken ik Romney nog niet genoeg om te weten of ik op hem zou stemmen. Ik *denk* (maar "wéét" niet) dat hij een Hayek-liberaal is: een goed punt voor Romney. Ik weet niet of hij heel vroeg (in 2003) kon zien, en durfde zeggen, wat een ongelofelijk dwaas idee de Irakoorlog was: onduidelijkheid, nooit goed.

Daarnaast is er de Obamafactor. Ik vind Obama een nogal slappe president. Maar er zijn nog bijna twee jaar om het effect van zijn beleid te zien. Een Obama die er dan in gelukt is de (wereld)economie uit het slop te halen (en dergelijke) verdient meer herkozen te worden dan een Obama die alleen maar "minder slecht dan Bush" was.

En zo zijn er nog wel een paar. Maar ik zou me zeker kunnen inbeelden op een Republiekeinse Hayek-liberaal te stemmen; al was het maar uit oplichting dat ze er nog zijn. En dat hij Mormoon is is me even worst als het feit dat hij atheïst, of Boeddhist, of Katholiek zou zijn.

(Nuance: hij mag wel niet van mening zijn dat "creationisme" de evolutietheorie in de wetenschapsles moet vervangen. In dat geval: dismissed.)

Felix zei

"En dat hij Mormoon is is me even worst als het feit dat hij atheïst, of Boeddhist, of Katholiek zou zijn."

Ik vind dat je hier te weinig kritisch bent, en teveel op één hoop gooit.

Van www.mormonsbelief.org(http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-beliefs-culture/the-mormon-view-of-america)

Modern America

The Lord has established a free America to bless those who come unto it, but also to establish an atmosphere of freedom and protection of rights to enable the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the restoration of the true gospel to the gentiles. Latter-day Saints believe that the founding fathers were raised up by God to establish the constitution of the United States, and that the Constitution is an inspired document.

The Doctrine and Covenants says this:

Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land; And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.

I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free (Doctrine and Covenants 98:6-8)

According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment. Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.

And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood (Doctrine and Covenants 101:77-80).

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Dat is een doctrine over de staat, niet enkel over God.

En wil je, mocht je US-burger zijn, echt een president die dit gelooft (bron: wikipedia)?

The Book of Mormon is a sacred text of the Latter Day Saint movement. It was first published in March 1830 by Joseph Smith, Jr. as The Book of Mormon: An Account Written by the Hand of Mormon upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi.[1] According to Smith's account, and also according to the book's narrative, the Book of Mormon was originally written in otherwise unknown characters referred to as "reformed Egyptian" engraved on golden plates. Smith said that he received these plates in 1827 from an angel named Moroni,[2] whom Smith identified as a resurrected[3] indigenous American who had written and abridged parts of the book over a millennium prior to the encounter. According to Smith, Moroni had buried the plates in a stone box, along with other ancient artifacts,[4] in a hill near Smith's home in Manchester, New York.

The Book of Mormon is the earliest of the defining publications of the Latter Day Saint movement. The churches of the movement typically regard the Book of Mormon not only as scripture, but as a historical record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas, written by American prophets[5] from perhaps as early as 2600 BC to about AD 421.[6]

Felix zei

"En dat hij Mormoon is is me even worst als het feit dat hij atheïst, of Boeddhist, of Katholiek zou zijn."

Ik vind dat je hier te weinig kritisch bent, en teveel op één hoop gooit.

Van www.mormonsbelief.org(http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-beliefs-culture/the-mormon-view-of-america)

Modern America

The Lord has established a free America to bless those who come unto it, but also to establish an atmosphere of freedom and protection of rights to enable the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the restoration of the true gospel to the gentiles. Latter-day Saints believe that the founding fathers were raised up by God to establish the constitution of the United States, and that the Constitution is an inspired document.

The Doctrine and Covenants says this:

Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land; And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.

I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free (Doctrine and Covenants 98:6-8)

According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment. Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.

And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood (Doctrine and Covenants 101:77-80).

--
Dat is een doctrine over de staat, niet enkel over God.

En wil je, mocht je US-burger zijn, echt een president die dit gelooft (bron: wikipedia)?

The Book of Mormon is a sacred text of the Latter Day Saint movement. It was first published in March 1830 by Joseph Smith, Jr. as The Book of Mormon: An Account Written by the Hand of Mormon upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi.[1] According to Smith's account, and also according to the book's narrative, the Book of Mormon was originally written in otherwise unknown characters referred to as "reformed Egyptian" engraved on golden plates. Smith said that he received these plates in 1827 from an angel named Moroni,[2] whom Smith identified as a resurrected[3] indigenous American who had written and abridged parts of the book over a millennium prior to the encounter. According to Smith, Moroni had buried the plates in a stone box, along with other ancient artifacts,[4] in a hill near Smith's home in Manchester, New York.

The Book of Mormon is the earliest of the defining publications of the Latter Day Saint movement. The churches of the movement typically regard the Book of Mormon not only as scripture, but as a historical record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas, written by American prophets[5] from perhaps as early as 2600 BC to about AD 421.[6]

Felix zei

"En dat hij Mormoon is is me even worst als het feit dat hij atheïst, of Boeddhist, of Katholiek zou zijn."

Ik vind dat je hier te weinig kritisch bent, en teveel op één hoop gooit.

Van www.mormonsbelief.org(http://www.mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-beliefs-culture/the-mormon-view-of-america)

Modern America

The Lord has established a free America to bless those who come unto it, but also to establish an atmosphere of freedom and protection of rights to enable the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the restoration of the true gospel to the gentiles. Latter-day Saints believe that the founding fathers were raised up by God to establish the constitution of the United States, and that the Constitution is an inspired document.

The Doctrine and Covenants says this:

Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land; And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.

I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free (Doctrine and Covenants 98:6-8)

According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment. Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.

And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood (Doctrine and Covenants 101:77-80).

--
Dat is een doctrine over de staat, niet enkel over God.

En wil je, mocht je US-burger zijn, echt een president die dit gelooft (bron: wikipedia)?

The Book of Mormon is a sacred text of the Latter Day Saint movement. It was first published in March 1830 by Joseph Smith, Jr. as The Book of Mormon: An Account Written by the Hand of Mormon upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi.[1] According to Smith's account, and also according to the book's narrative, the Book of Mormon was originally written in otherwise unknown characters referred to as "reformed Egyptian" engraved on golden plates. Smith said that he received these plates in 1827 from an angel named Moroni,[2] whom Smith identified as a resurrected[3] indigenous American who had written and abridged parts of the book over a millennium prior to the encounter. According to Smith, Moroni had buried the plates in a stone box, along with other ancient artifacts,[4] in a hill near Smith's home in Manchester, New York.

The Book of Mormon is the earliest of the defining publications of the Latter Day Saint movement. The churches of the movement typically regard the Book of Mormon not only as scripture, but as a historical record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas, written by American prophets[5] from perhaps as early as 2600 BC to about AD 421.[6]